So I got pointed towards your site, looks like a great tool and I admire the dedication it takes to get a product like this working however I’ve got a few queries.
Firstly I believe a large number of route descriptions probably breach the australian climbing associations intellectual property rights as they appear to have been copied directly for our database without permission, even more specifically, several routes breach my personal intellectual property rights as I was the author of the information. This is quite a pertinent topic for us at the moment as we’ve got the move to an open ‘copyleft’ license on the agenda for discussion at our upcoming general meeting next week. (It seems likely we’ll adopt a creative commons license in one for or another)
This nicely brings me into my next point, I see in your ‘about’ page that your goal is to create a free and open routes database however your copyright information appears to directly contradict this. I’d recommend you have a look at the creative commons licenses and consider whether these might mesh well with your goal of a free and open database. On that note I’m in the middle of discussing a XML standard for exchange of route information between the several australian online guidebook authors and if you’d like to be a part of that buzz me an email.
Opening up the Bouldr database is something I’m currently looking at. Creative commons licensing is certainly the way to go – I’ll light a fire under it, and get it sorted ASAP. The main sticking point I have at the moment is getting the data into an appropriate format for sharing. I’d be very interested in working with you on that front.
I’ll get in touch with you via email regarding what needs to be done to remove the copyright material.
I’ve said to Oli not to rush through editing it all back out. Given that in 7 days time its pretty likely that we will have adopted the CC-BY,SA license for our database, if you do the same for the Bouldr database then you’d no longer be in breach and it’s all roses.
I’ve very interested in the XML format for climbing data. I’m responsible for about 5 local climbing guides and 3 bouldering guide total over a 1000 routes and problems and am very interested in how to best share and maintain this. Is there a forum or place where I can get more info or follow the discussion on this?
Well, both Bouldr and the ACAQ adopted creative commons attribution, share-alike licenses. So that resolved the immediate copyright issue.
I’m not sure to what degree the ACAQ webmaster made progress re: an XML standard for sharing route information. I’ve got some spare time pencilled in over the first three days of july so I’ll try to chase it up then.
Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Hi Matt and others,
So I got pointed towards your site, looks like a great tool and I admire the dedication it takes to get a product like this working however I’ve got a few queries.
Firstly I believe a large number of route descriptions probably breach the australian climbing associations intellectual property rights as they appear to have been copied directly for our database without permission, even more specifically, several routes breach my personal intellectual property rights as I was the author of the information. This is quite a pertinent topic for us at the moment as we’ve got the move to an open ‘copyleft’ license on the agenda for discussion at our upcoming general meeting next week. (It seems likely we’ll adopt a creative commons license in one for or another)
This nicely brings me into my next point, I see in your ‘about’ page that your goal is to create a free and open routes database however your copyright information appears to directly contradict this. I’d recommend you have a look at the creative commons licenses and consider whether these might mesh well with your goal of a free and open database. On that note I’m in the middle of discussing a XML standard for exchange of route information between the several australian online guidebook authors and if you’d like to be a part of that buzz me an email.
-Adam.
hotgemini, January 21, 2010 03:58 11 Replies Feed
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Yeah i totally agree, and sorry for copying route descriptions for guidebooks.
As the single largest contributor to the bouldr routes database, I am concerned over the current status of the copyright on the site.
What I would suggest is that bouldr adopts the Creative Commons – Attribution, Share Alike License for the route database portion of the bouldr site.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/au/
For the route database to truly be ‘free and open’ this needs to be addressed.
Olie
Oliver.Rickford, January 21, 2010 08:52
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Hi Adam and Oliver,
Thanks for getting in touch.
Opening up the Bouldr database is something I’m currently looking at. Creative commons licensing is certainly the way to go – I’ll light a fire under it, and get it sorted ASAP. The main sticking point I have at the moment is getting the data into an appropriate format for sharing. I’d be very interested in working with you on that front.
I’ll get in touch with you via email regarding what needs to be done to remove the copyright material.
Matt, January 21, 2010 09:29
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Hey Matt, Im slowly removing all the route descriptions that affects the copyright.
I should have it completely done later tonight.
Oliver.Rickford, January 21, 2010 09:40
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Hi Oliver,
Thanks for doing that. Let me know when you’re done.
Matt, January 21, 2010 09:59
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
I’ve said to Oli not to rush through editing it all back out. Given that in 7 days time its pretty likely that we will have adopted the CC-BY,SA license for our database, if you do the same for the Bouldr database then you’d no longer be in breach and it’s all roses.
-Adam.
hotgemini, January 21, 2010 10:17
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
I was just putting an email together to you Adam.
Matt, January 21, 2010 10:53
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
hi Matt and Adam,
I’ve very interested in the XML format for climbing data. I’m responsible for about 5 local climbing guides and 3 bouldering guide total over a 1000 routes and problems and am very interested in how to best share and maintain this. Is there a forum or place where I can get more info or follow the discussion on this?
Thanks in advance
brendanheywood, February 04, 2010 23:28
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Some really interesting issues raised in this thread.
I’m just wondering how this has progressed in the last four months?
Philr, June 16, 2010 12:49
RE: Copyright infringements, copyleft.
Well, both Bouldr and the ACAQ adopted creative commons attribution, share-alike licenses. So that resolved the immediate copyright issue.
I’m not sure to what degree the ACAQ webmaster made progress re: an XML standard for sharing route information. I’ve got some spare time pencilled in over the first three days of july so I’ll try to chase it up then.
-Adam
hotgemini, June 17, 2010 00:16